Confronting Critics with Gentle Grace & Truth

Criticism comes is all shapes, sizes, and shades of darkness.

Every now and again, truth gets a chance to chase the darkness away and invite the ignorant into the light. What follows is a series of posts between a critic of God and my daughter. The two parties don’t know each other, but when the challenge was posted without response, my little girl felt compelled to take a stand.

The Lord’s promise to his faithful is to not worry about what you will say, when brought before the great of this world, for it will be God speaking through you–even through the mouths of babes.

CRITIC: Why would an all powerful being need your help?
DAUGHTER: He doesn’t .  There is no way He would need anyone’s help.  He simply gives us the opportunity to be saved because he “…wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.” (1Timothy 2:4)
CRITIC:  saved, from himself you mean?
DAUGHTER: No, , to be saved from ourselves.  He created us with a free will to chose Him, or to choose the world and all its attractions.  Every single person on this earth has “sinned and fallen short of the glory of God,” (Romans 3:23) and are all headed to Hell.  Sounds harsh, but that is the reality of this world.  Only through Jesus’ death on the cross, the perfect sacrifice, is enough to “wash” us clean from our sin, if we are willing to obey and follow Him.
CRITIC:  right…so he created us with free will, then got angry because we didn’t behave exactly as he wanted, kills everyone on earth in a big flood, sends some rules down but takes 40 days and nights to make stone tablets (made whole earth in 6 days), aaand then if we still don’t do what he wants he will burn us for all eternity, because he loves us.

Which makes free will not free will, and burning and killing people you love is the behaviour of a psychopath.

Why can’t you think about this stuff logically?

 DAUGHTER:  I am so sorry that you think this way about God.  Let me try to explain.  In order to understand why God sent the Flood, it is important to consider the circumstances that preceded it – including the actions of mankind and the actions of God.  “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” (Genesis 6:5, emphasis added)  Those living upon the Earth were completely and utterly wicked beyond the hope of changing. There were no innocent bystanders caught up in the Flood; everyone was guilty of the most deplorable sinfulness. It had now reached a fruition that God could not overlook.  God did not wipe everyone but the ONE righteous man off the face of the earth in a fit of rage, but of necessity.  He then continued humankind through Noah and his family.
The Ten Commandments were written by God and given to Moses in order that, “the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.” (Exodus 20)  “The Lord said to Moses, ‘Chisel out two stone tablets like the first ones, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.'”  I would imagine chiseling out 2 stone tablets by hand could definitely take at least 40 days, wouldn’t you?
God is perfect.  He is holy.  He cannot be around sin – it is simply against his nature.  He gives everyone he calls the chance to come to the knowledge of Christ and have eternal life, but if a person begins to follow Christ but turns away and follows his own sinful desires… he has defiled God’s holiness. God loves all people, but he hates sin.  Therefore, if the person continues in sin, then he has chosen the path that leads to destruction, which will end with Hell.  He is the Judge, and when a person is guilty, a good judge will condemn the man no matter his own feelings for the person himself.  Thus God is not a psychopath, but a perfect and just Judge.

 

CRITIC:  40 days…yeah why have Moses chisel them out and not just provide the tablets?

You know Moses had an awful lot of these episodes, somone doing and saying the same today would be put in a mental health ward.

God wouldn’t have to kill everyone on earth, if he’s so powerful, he could just fix everything as he wanted it to be.

What sort of loving parent kills all his children and tortures them?

Thing is, the flood never happened. There’s no geological evidence of it, at all. The story is one of the tales of Gilgamesh, and like most of the stories in the bible is stolen from other myths.

A worldwide flood for 400 days would leave a global signature in our geology – a mass extinction layer with humans and animals alike in it, as well as the mark it would make in the sediments anyway.

It doesnt exist. No flood happened. most plant and sea life would have also died, but people forget that.

DAUGHTER: I must beg to differ.  I cannot give you a concrete reason that you would accept for why Moses had to chisel the tablets out himself, but I expect it may have been a subtle reminder not to break these ones, as he had the first tablets.
I’m not sure what “episodes” you are talking about, but a lot of things were different long ago then they are now.  You can not expect everything to be exactly the same as they are today.  The things Moses did were miracles, not evidence of someone gone off the deep end.
You are absolutely right.  God could fix everything exactly perfect, and everyone would enter heaven.  Except, if He did that, we would all be mindless robots, doing the bidding of God because we were told, not because we love and desire a relationship with Him.  (1 John 4:19) “We love Him because He first loved us.”  Not because he has forced us all to.  Honestly sometimes I wish I was a mindless robot, and then I would never have to worry about all my mistakes.  But that is not the way God has chosen to operate, and we have the opportunity to still enter into a relationship with God and be washed clean of our sin, if we so choose.

This is a lie.  I don’t know where you got your information, but you have been seriously indoctrinated if you believe that there is no scientific evidence of the Flood.  One piece of evidence for a worldwide flood is the existence of what Rupke termed “polystrate fossils.”  Such fossils are found all over the world: especially in and around coal seams.  They are often in the form of  fossil  trees that were buried upright and which often cross multiple  layers of strata such as sandstone, shale, limestone  and even coal beds. They range in size from small rootlets to trees over 80 feet long.  Sometimes they are oblique (or at an angle to) the surrounding strata, but more often they are perpendicular with (or standing ‘upright’ in) it.  For example, at Joggins, Nova Scotia, polystrate tree (and root) fossils are found at various intervals throughout roughly 2,500 feet of strata.  Many of the trees are from 10-20 feet long, and at least  one was 40 feet long.
Very few of these upright fossil trees have attached roots, and only about 1 in 50 have both roots and rootlets attached. Likewise many, if not most, of the large, fragmented, and  broken-off  Stigmaria roots (of these trees) are also missing their rootlets.  Many of these roots and rootlets are also buried individually.  Thus virtually proving that neither the trees themselves, nor their rootlets were buried in the place where they grew, but were uprooted and re-buried where they are now found, which could only happen on this scale because of a worldwide flood, as similar circumstances occur elsewhere in Nova Scotia and other Canadian provinces, as well as the United States, South America, Europe, China, Russia, and Australia.

Other evidences include:
Evidence 1: Fossils of sea creatures high above sea level due to the ocean waters having flooded over the continents.
We find fossils of sea creatures in rock layers that cover all the continents. For example, most of the rock layers in the walls of Grand Canyon (more than a mile above sea level) contain marine fossils. Fossilized shellfish are even found in the Himalayas.

Evidence 2: Rapid burial of plants and animals.
We find extensive fossil “graveyards” and exquisitely preserved fossils. For example, billions of nautiloid fossils are found in a layer within the Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon. This layer was deposited catastrophically by a massive flow of sediment (mostly lime sand). The chalk and coal beds of Europe and the United States, and the fish, ichthyosaurs, insects, and other fossils all around the world, testify of catastrophic destruction and burial.

Evidence 3: Rapidly deposited sediment layers spread across vast areas.
We find rock layers that can be traced all the way across continents—even between continents—and physical features in those strata indicate they were deposited rapidly. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days.

Evidence 4: Sediment transported long distances.
We find that the sediments in those widespread, rapidly deposited rock layers had to be eroded from distant sources and carried long distances by fast-moving water. For example, the sand for the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon (Arizona) had to be eroded and transported from the northern portion of what is now the United States and Canada. Furthermore, water current indicators (such as ripple marks) preserved in rock layers show that for “300 million years” water currents were consistently flowing from northeast to southwest across all of North and South America, which, of course, is only possible over weeks during a global Flood.

Evidence 5: Rapid or no erosion between strata.
We find evidence of rapid erosion, or even of no erosion, between rock layers. Flat, knife-edge boundaries between rock layers indicate continuous deposition of one layer after another, with no time for erosion. For example, there is no evidence of any “missing” millions of years (of erosion) in the flat boundary between two well-known layers of Grand Canyon—the Coconino Sandstone and the Hermit Formation. Another impressive example of flat boundaries at Grand Canyon is the Redwall Limestone and the strata beneath it.

Evidence 6: Many strata laid down in rapid succession.
Rocks do not normally bend; they break because they are hard and brittle. But in many places we find whole sequences of strata that were bent without fracturing, indicating that all the rock layers were rapidly deposited and folded while still wet and pliable before final hardening. For example, the Tapeats Sandstone in Grand Canyon is folded at a right angle (90°) without evidence of breaking. Yet this folding could only have occurred after the rest of the layers had been deposited, supposedly over “480 million years,” while the Tapeats Sandstone remained wet and pliable.

Evidence 7: The Cambrian Explosion.
In the early 1900s, a paleontologist named Charles Walcott discovered fossils in a layer of Cambrian rock and found representatives from every major animal phylum that exists in our classification scheme.  (Among other things, this means that the bottom of the geological column in textbooks is, still to this day, WRONG, but that’s a tangent for another time;)  One of the most honest summaries of the problem of the Cambrian Explosion was given by prominent macroevolutionist Richard Dawkins: “It is though they [fossils] were just planted there, without any evolutionary history.  Needless to say this appearance of sudden planting has delighted creationists…Both schools of thought (Punctuationists and Gradualists) despise the so-called scientific creationists equally, and both agree that the major gaps are real, that they are true imperfections in the fossil record.  The only alternative explanation of the sudden appearance of so many complex animal types in the Cambrian era is divine creation and (we) both reject this alternative.”  Dr. Hawkins agrees that there is no evolutionary explanation for this explosion of fossils, and even acknowledges that the only other option is divine creation, but instead chooses to cling to a theory falling through the cracks.  If that’s not lunacy, I don’t know what is.
The reason that humans are not fossilized in this Cambrian explosion is likely because they climbed.  It takes an enormous amount of pressure to fossilize a creature, and that pressure simply wouldn’t be there if all the people climbed trees, mountains, or higher land masses to escape the Flood waters before they died.
Then why don’t we find many fossils below the Cambrian? The earliest stages of the Flood, when the “fountains of the great deep were broken up” (Genesis 7:11), were apparently very violent. Many creation geologists believe these early stages of the Flood shaved most of the pre-Flood sediment off the ocean floors. This would have destroyed most of the fossils that had formed in the pre-Flood world. Then, only after the violence of the waters had partially settled down, would the sediment and freshly killed sea-dwelling organisms begin forming the first sedimentary rocks and fossils from the Flood (the Cambrian rocks and fossils). So only rarely, if at all, would pre-Flood fossils be expected beneath the earliest Flood rocks.

Believe me, no one has forgotten that plant and sea life died.  They simply don’t fossilize very well, as many of the oceans’ creatures are soft-bodied.  Thus fossilization of sea plants and soft-bodied creature is made very rare, if ever.  There are many examples, however, of hard surfaced creatures like clams throughout the fossil record.  The point is, certainly many things below the water’s surface were destroyed, but some would have survived, and that would be enough to repopulate the oceans.

DAUGHTER:  if you are genuinely interested in finding out about evidence for the Flood, I suggest Answers in Genesis online.
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One Response to Confronting Critics with Gentle Grace & Truth

  1. traci buxton says:

    Soooooo proud of you, MB! Atta girl!

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